there is a racial and religious tinge here, perhaps more than a tinge. and that's very unsettling for a country that celebrates diversity to have, you know, to be characterizing obama would not be characterized by this way if he were an elderly, white gentleman. >> so -- is this a way of talking about -- expressing racial concerns without talking about race? >> i think it's a way of making him seem other, seem foreign, seem untrustworthy, seem somehow you know, not part of mainstream america. >> but it works in both directions, again. with bush, again, being a fundamentalist christian, there are many people, again the democrat left predominantly who said he's not tolerant, he's not open, he's not accepting, she's not smart. and so it does work in both directions. >> i think that there's a -- that in this country of all countries to have this be layered with race and religion is very harmful. >> i agree with that, fareed, but it is true some people want to make him seem like other.